6:04am - Selipar: herm...wat another KK open in the same year??.....aku suggest instead anjur benda yang sama dalam tahun yang sama juga ...ada baiknya organizer buat lah KKPL (Kota Kinabalu Paintball League) ala-ala MPOC ker My-NPL kah camtuh...at least semua team yang ada kat kk or memana jak sekitar sabah labuan or sarawak boleh juga join...bab kalu mo main mpoc or npl di kl sure tak semua ada enough funding ......bab kalu asyik buat penganjuran ala-ala feeder series bosan lah...mo lagi meriah gilirkan hak tuan rumah pengajuran liga nie apa macam???...bab aku tgok dah brapa kali buat KK open tapi mesej yang cuba mengenai sukan nie tak begitu berjaya...so why not organizer beralih pula menganjurkan KK LEAGUE SERIES.....Biarlah KK open acara sekali dlm setahun jangan lah diulang-ulang benda yang sama...cari kelainan sikit n kreatifkan lagi pengajuran supaya players tak cepat bosan nak bergiat dlm sports nie .....ini cuma cadangan ok kepada organizer incase kalu btul ada KKopen lagi
6:10am - Selipar: komen or cadangan ini teda niat or motif tuk menghentam, melagakan mana-mana pihak cuma satu cadangan bagi memeriah kan lagi suasana paintball tempatan.......so terpulanglah kepada organizer tuk memikir kan benda nie....We All Players & Team, Dreamin Our Very Own Local League........duit boleh dicari dimana-mana kalu berusaha n sanggup berdepan ngan risiko ok...so goodluck to all ballerz kat Sabah,Sarawak n Labuan..PAINTBALL CREATES UNITY AMONG US Caiyoooooooooooo
And someone replies:
5:36am - demampaintball: selipar kalau ada org nak buat ok, kalau dah yg lain tak mo anjur camana? yg kita nampak cuma kkpc saja buat benda ni. aku sendiri ada jumpa miguel time kk tourney hari tu dah cadang benda sama yg ko cakap. miguel sendiri bagitau yg dia org lebih berbesar hati kalau ada mana2 pihak yg boleh buat tournament supaya penganjuran dari orglain akan ada kelainan, staff dia pun boleh ikut tourney etc... tapi mana ada org yg buat lagi sampai sekarang? dan buat tourney bukan benda yg senang, sanggup ke tanggung rugi nak bayar tu ni , duit hadiah sewa sumer? buat event bukan semudah yg dilihat, dan bukannya money feeder macam sesetengah org nampak. xtion buat tourney tempat sendiri pun asyik komplen rugi jer, apakan lagi buat di field terbuka cam padang bandaran. sumer tu kena bayar. sbagai paintballer 4 life kita akan sokong mana2 pihak yg boleh anjur tourney. hadiah tak yah besar, asalkan dapat main di kk dan tak payah terbang jauh. team kami pun
dah habis byk duit utk byr tiket kapal
5:44am - demampaintball: dgn ekonomi tak baik skrg ni, lebih baik juga kalau ada beberapa tourney tempatan supaya kita dapat byk sparring dan sedia utk wca (utk sapa yg pegi)
6:08am - LipasKudung: Hah ngam jugak tu, kasi plak orang lain organise tourney. baru namanya UNITY kan kan kan
12:01pm - kkpc: we are always welcoming any party that want to organize paintball tourney in KK. bila lagi mau main pb n ndak payah susah2 pikir mau clean up field
its been 3 years we have to stay back after each event. syukur lah lepas ni bulih rest lepas penat main pb.... hehehe
12:06pm - kkpc: after tourney - buka tiang, cuci bunker,pungut paintball (DBKK suruh), angkat barang bla bla bla.... gesh i wish i got doraemon to do some magic hahaha.
And this is what he/she replied back:
11:34pm - Selipar: pasal...mcm mana nak bersihkan padang or etc selepas tourney jangan lah jadikan isu utama or penghalang dalam sesuatu pengajuran pokoknya itu lha realiti n hakikat yang terpaksa di tanggung oleh pihak penganjuran n crew....manada pengajur lepas buat event duduk rileks mmg banyak kena buat that thing we all paham bab tuh pihak penganjur kena lah cari ikthiar or solution tuk handle masalah mcm nie dan bukan jadikan nya satu alasan tuk buat event dalam istilah "ASAL ADA BAH"....sebab tuh aku ckp duit boleh di cari dimana-mana tuk di jadikan funding bagi membiayai sebarang kos tambahan yang mungkin wujud, persatuan paintball kan ada...kementerian sukan kan ada, mmg di akui bukan senang nak dapatkan peruntukan untuk membiayai sesebuah event tapi kalu tak mencuba manakan nak dapat hasilnya kan...takkan bab cari peruntukan pun nak players or orang luar juga buat..pihak pengajur kena lah buat inisiatif sendiri mcm mana nak dapatkan sponsor or punca kewangan takbleh nak harap semua org kan
11:43pm - Selipar: mengenai untung rugi pabila menganjurkan sesebuah event.......cubalah jangan pikirkan sangat dulu mengenai untung rugi..memang dalam dunia manada org buat bisnes mo rugi tapi korang kena peka keadaan scenario paintball di tempat kita nie...jangan samakan dengan keadaan di negeri orang yang bilangan pasukan yang mengambil bahagian pun kalu boleh mencecah ratusan....scene kita nie baru nak kembang n baru bermula sekitar tahun 2007....nak expect buat tourney trus ramai mcm WCA..or Any Feeder Event mmg mimipilah jjauh sekali...dengan sekadar 4-5 team mmg dah takda untung lah...but for the sake of paintball sports n tuk developement sukan nie mmg memerlukan pengorbanan besar mahupun dari segi masa ataupun wang ringgit tuh pihak pengajur kena lah paham situasi yang scene kita hadapi skrang..kalu asyik nak cakap pasal untung dan rugi jak memang ndak kemana lah hala tuju sukan nie di negeri nie...manada pihak pengajur boleh mengaut untung lebih semasa buat event ...
11:52pm - Selipar: tanyalah pengajur sukan seperti SUKMA, SUKAN SEA korang ingat negeri or negar yang menganjurkan tuh mendapat keuntungan berlipat kali ganda kah dalam sekelip mata..semua tuh rugi oiii duit rakyat apa lah semua habis digunakan tapi kalu benda tuh dipandang dari sudut positif , untuk long term keuntungan tuh akan muncul juga bukan hari nie anjur event end of event trus duit jatuh macam hujan....kena pelan-pelan lah tarik peminat baru n peserta baru tuk next event sure untung tuh akan datang juga tapi peminta or pengemar sukan nie yang baru takkan muncul kalau asyik buat benda yang sama jak sepanjang tahun....kk open yang lepas pun mmg tak sampai mesej or hala tuju nya ..sambutan dari penonton pun tak begitu memberangsangkan...mutu pengajuran pun blum lagi brapa ok ...tapi boleh diperbaiki lagi...pekara utama yang menjadi penghalang kepada sukan jenis tuk cepat berkembang seprti sukan lain sebabnya sebab terlalu memikirkan UNTUNG dan
11:52pm - Selipar: tanyalah pengajur sukan seperti SUKMA, SUKAN SEA korang ingat negeri or negar yang menganjurkan tuh mendapat keuntungan berlipat kali ganda kah dalam sekelip mata..semua tuh rugi oiii duit rakyat apa lah semua habis digunakan tapi kalu benda tuh dipandang dari sudut positif , untuk long term keuntungan tuh akan muncul juga bukan hari nie anjur event end of event trus duit jatuh macam hujan....kena pelan-pelan lah tarik peminat baru n peserta baru tuk next event sure untung tuh akan datang juga tapi peminta or pengemar sukan nie yang baru takkan muncul kalau asyik buat benda yang sama jak sepanjang tahun....kk open yang lepas pun mmg tak sampai mesej or hala tuju nya ..sambutan dari penonton pun tak begitu memberangsangkan...mutu pengajuran pun blum lagi brapa ok ...tapi boleh diperbaiki lagi...pekara utama yang menjadi penghalang kepada sukan jenis tuk cepat berkembang seprti sukan lain sebabnya sebab terlalu memikirkan UNTUNG dan
11:59pm - Selipar: POLITIK....kurang kan berpolitik n sikap terlalu mahu mengaut keuntungan secara berlebihan baru lah setiap event yang dianjurkan boleh mencapai objektif nya....let say WCA or mana event aim target untung 100% kompom takdak orang nak join so mcm mana dorang nak event tuh berjalan n success..kenalah sacrifice turun kan harga or etc...supaya banyak penyertaan, cuba bayangkan kalau buat event pastuh nak untung 100% contoh jual pellet RM300-400 sekotak korang ingat ada ker orang nak main event tuh kirim salam lah ...pastuh yuran pulak asyik nak cakap dlm USD apsal RINGGIT kita nie truk sangat ker?? mmg gerun team tempatan yang baru nak naik nak masuk event bab takut duit tak cukup....pikir-pikirlah, untung rugi tuh lumrah dalam adat berniaga tapi tuh bukan lah alasan yang patut diberikan apabila nak menganjurkan sesuatu event..pokoknya ikhlas ker tak nak kembang kan sukan nie.....sukan FUTSAL masa baru masuk KK dulu korang ingat si scott tuh buka arena trus untung 100% ker
12:10am - Selipar: to all forumer or chatters kat cnie saya minta maaf lah kalu mungkin bahasa agak kasar tapi memang saya ikhlas tang hal nie sebab saya pun salah seorang peminat n players dalam sukan paintball nie.........sudah-sudahlah ceirita pasal UNTUNG /RUGI or etc... yang penting skrang objektif or misi utama nak promote sukan nie kepada generasi baru , bila suda ramai or banyak team baru muncul mcm kat negeri orang lain barulah kita crita pasal nak UNTUNG..........tujuan saya bagi cadangan pun bukan lah berniat nak gaduh or menyinggung mana-mana pihak...nie cuma syor saya kepada pihak pengajur agar kelemahan n kecacatan pengajuran yang lepas dijadikan pengajaran untuk memperbaiki lagi mutu pengajuran yang akan datang.....tapi tuh terpulang kepada pengajur nak kekal kan benda yang dah terang-terang SILAP...atau pun belajar dari kesilapan ataupun tidak.....tetapi kami semua selaku peminat dan pemain amatlah berharap agar satu hari nanti kita boleh berbangga dengan mutu pengajuran akan datang. 
KK League Series huh...wah....you think we never think of that ka? But hello...look at the reality here..around us! Whenever we wanted to do any event to the public, what is the feedback we got? "Expensive lah..." Don't say to play for tournament ok...even to play at the field on weekends also some people still complain! Just like any other people out there, you are comparing this sport with Futsal. Futsal is futsal, paintball is paintball...itu also tadak tau ka?
Now let me tell you how the event goes:
1 - We were notified on SHORT NOTICE by the people who co-organise with us. They gave us less than a month notice and said, "We want you to organise a tournament for us..bla bla bla bla...at this date, confirmed and I don't care how but I already agree to it now you guys had to do it!" So, existing teams mostly not ready to train, get funds for their tournament costs, etc. Short time notice to inform everyone, to promote and to persuade anyone to join the tournament. You heard me. PERSUADE.
Not to mention how hard it is to get sponsors for the prizes (To the paintballers who are not familiar with the Sabah paintball scene, yes, we even went to the extend of giving away few packets of rice to the winners because that's what the co-organiser can find). No kidding.
"Ask them to give you guys some time lah to organise!" Now let's see the situation here. Let's say it's an event that the City Hall wanted to have paintball in between. They got the funds, they got the date, they had brainstorm in the last minute what to put in between to draw public to their main event, they had their say. What can we do? Change the whole date? You tell them on behalf of us! Why don't you help us, find the channels to draw strings for us in order to make things a lot easier? Introduce some people who can we talk with for sponsorship?
2 - Manpower. Do you have any idea how hard it is when we requested 10 extra men from them and yet we were only given 2? Then on the last minute, 2 or 3 unable to show up because of various reasons. We got nets to set up, my technician was working from the technician tent into the field, air bunkers to set, my marshals were working before the event started until the end of the event and was forced to sleep at the event area to guard our bunkers and other stuff. Geez, even after using the field we were told to COLLECT ALL THE USED PAINTBALLS FROM THE FIELD! In our last tourney, my brother had to fork out a little sum of cash from his own pocket to hire the immigrant kids to collect it for us! We set up the field, in the end, we put it down and bundle everything up ourselves. You tired after tournament, what you think it makes us?
3 - Field marshals. Due to the short notice, my marshals was not able to get leave from work (most of them on shifts) or was outstation due to clashed dates. Some of my marshals wanted to be in the tournament too, so what can I do? Force them not to join? Not to mention the payout. To be honest with you, I DON'T GET ANY PAYMENTS from any tournaments held in KK so far. Do I complain? You think I like it to get sun burnt the whole day of tension, stress of events went wrong? You think the fee that you paid is including covering my fee huh?
4 - Registration fees and pallets. A paintballer who went to tournaments knew if the fees are reasonable or not. You play paintball, you know that you need to make some sacrifices on your pockets. You know that you need to pay registration fees and pallets. Why it was in USD in any international event, it's not our concern here in Sabah, for as far as I knew the registration fees we had given are so far went to as far as we can afford to lower it. Hey, even we don't earn any profits for ourselves we still had to pay other costs as well ok. That we need to put a hole in our pockets as well? Where you think the prize money comes from? Do you think we got to transfer our pallets coming in here for FREE? Hey, other teams can make it to find the resources to get sponsors, you are willing to fly across the sea to join tournaments, why it makes you hard to support your own local small tourneys like ours? Is it because it's no class ka? Ashamed?
5 - No participance from new teams. We are aware of it. But do look at the current paintball scene in Sabah. We are still new. You claimed to be one of the 'paintballers' so why won't you too, help us to create awareness to the public to promote this sport? Recommend them to play at your favorite paintball centre, tell them what you gain from this sport! Explain to them why you love it! So now it's entirely our 100% job to do this? We had done roadshows, and we really appreciate some teams made their own initiative to do paintball awareness to companies and private events. If they can do it, why don't YOU? They want to expand the sport as well, they had done their job, how about YOU?
6 - Public is unaware of the events. Most of our events were held in the City's Padang Merdeka. It's in the city area. We had publics watching the events as well. What you expect? Some 5000 spectators watching as if they are going for a football match in the stadium? Banners were hung at the vicinity where people can see it before event starts. You knew about it, you got Facebook, Friendster and other social networks, why don't you help us to spread the words as well? Does this has only to do with the organisers? If one is not interested with the sport, you expect them to stay there and watch until you went to the podium?
7 - Easy to say, NO MONEY, NO TALK. Unless some of you out there start to buy stuff in COD, no more hesitatingly paying up whenever we asked for you pending payment, no more avoiding us whenever my marketing staff called up asking for payment, no more stupid reasons by giving us bounced cheques...we are not hesitating of forking out to cover some of funds needed. You say that we should not say about UNTUNG/RUGI thingy...tapi sepa mau rugi balik-balik geng? If you look through the costings that we spent compared with the limited budgets we were given to do these things in the end it's NEGATIVE man...so, don't simply talk only when you don't know how hard it is for us to get these things running and done for. We ain't any rich tycoons, we had limited resources as well. You think money come from trees? You think all the money we earned just go to the bank and multiply in few months? We got bills to pay, we need to eat, we need to pay loans, gas, rental! Mau buat ala-ala My-NPL, MPOC? How many times in a year we had to suffer loses?
We never think of profits whenever we did any event. We went doing roadshows even drove as far as from KK to Tawau, only to find that a bunch of people just came and went away from us when they were wrongly informed by the organiser there that there will be a mini tournament like we did last time only to find that there is no such thing as 'tembak-tembak' then they walk away. Imagine how you felt driving for almost 12 hours only to find such response. We are there to create awareness but when it comes only 'tembak-tembak' in their minds, the rest doesn't matter to them anymore. How sad. What can we do with it? What can you do to help us out?
Come, bring your teams, your friends around and we had a GREAT discussion about this. Then you tell us what you want from us to do for you and what we want you to do to help us.
I will be more than happy if such league is held. 'KK Paintball League' sounds cool huh? We dreamt of it too. But if you only knew how to complain and see things from the outside rather than to help us out to identify the problems and offer us any suggestions to find solutions to our problem, financially, or helped us out to give awareness to people out there, then a dream is just a dream. So if you want people to see paintballers unite, this is your chance to help us in order to help you to achieve your dreams to see the sport grows in Sabah. For the teams that had been supporting us all along, I would say, thank you very much. I knew that we still had a long way to go. But if one selfish person started to voiced out only what 'he wants it to be' and just sit back and look 'what's happen, happen' it won't go on further. Sad.
Plus, if there is anyone who want to do it here, I would be grateful to let them organize it so that my crew can concentrate on playing paintball. You think they don't play paintball one ah?
It's not what the paintball field can do for you now; it's what YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR PAINTBALL SCENE in Sabah. Peace.
KK League Series huh...wah....you think we never think of that ka? But hello...look at the reality here..around us! Whenever we wanted to do any event to the public, what is the feedback we got? "Expensive lah..." Don't say to play for tournament ok...even to play at the field on weekends also some people still complain! Just like any other people out there, you are comparing this sport with Futsal. Futsal is futsal, paintball is paintball...itu also tadak tau ka?
Now let me tell you how the event goes:
1 - We were notified on SHORT NOTICE by the people who co-organise with us. They gave us less than a month notice and said, "We want you to organise a tournament for us..bla bla bla bla...at this date, confirmed and I don't care how but I already agree to it now you guys had to do it!" So, existing teams mostly not ready to train, get funds for their tournament costs, etc. Short time notice to inform everyone, to promote and to persuade anyone to join the tournament. You heard me. PERSUADE.
Not to mention how hard it is to get sponsors for the prizes (To the paintballers who are not familiar with the Sabah paintball scene, yes, we even went to the extend of giving away few packets of rice to the winners because that's what the co-organiser can find). No kidding.
"Ask them to give you guys some time lah to organise!" Now let's see the situation here. Let's say it's an event that the City Hall wanted to have paintball in between. They got the funds, they got the date, they had brainstorm in the last minute what to put in between to draw public to their main event, they had their say. What can we do? Change the whole date? You tell them on behalf of us! Why don't you help us, find the channels to draw strings for us in order to make things a lot easier? Introduce some people who can we talk with for sponsorship?
2 - Manpower. Do you have any idea how hard it is when we requested 10 extra men from them and yet we were only given 2? Then on the last minute, 2 or 3 unable to show up because of various reasons. We got nets to set up, my technician was working from the technician tent into the field, air bunkers to set, my marshals were working before the event started until the end of the event and was forced to sleep at the event area to guard our bunkers and other stuff. Geez, even after using the field we were told to COLLECT ALL THE USED PAINTBALLS FROM THE FIELD! In our last tourney, my brother had to fork out a little sum of cash from his own pocket to hire the immigrant kids to collect it for us! We set up the field, in the end, we put it down and bundle everything up ourselves. You tired after tournament, what you think it makes us?
3 - Field marshals. Due to the short notice, my marshals was not able to get leave from work (most of them on shifts) or was outstation due to clashed dates. Some of my marshals wanted to be in the tournament too, so what can I do? Force them not to join? Not to mention the payout. To be honest with you, I DON'T GET ANY PAYMENTS from any tournaments held in KK so far. Do I complain? You think I like it to get sun burnt the whole day of tension, stress of events went wrong? You think the fee that you paid is including covering my fee huh?
4 - Registration fees and pallets. A paintballer who went to tournaments knew if the fees are reasonable or not. You play paintball, you know that you need to make some sacrifices on your pockets. You know that you need to pay registration fees and pallets. Why it was in USD in any international event, it's not our concern here in Sabah, for as far as I knew the registration fees we had given are so far went to as far as we can afford to lower it. Hey, even we don't earn any profits for ourselves we still had to pay other costs as well ok. That we need to put a hole in our pockets as well? Where you think the prize money comes from? Do you think we got to transfer our pallets coming in here for FREE? Hey, other teams can make it to find the resources to get sponsors, you are willing to fly across the sea to join tournaments, why it makes you hard to support your own local small tourneys like ours? Is it because it's no class ka? Ashamed?
5 - No participance from new teams. We are aware of it. But do look at the current paintball scene in Sabah. We are still new. You claimed to be one of the 'paintballers' so why won't you too, help us to create awareness to the public to promote this sport? Recommend them to play at your favorite paintball centre, tell them what you gain from this sport! Explain to them why you love it! So now it's entirely our 100% job to do this? We had done roadshows, and we really appreciate some teams made their own initiative to do paintball awareness to companies and private events. If they can do it, why don't YOU? They want to expand the sport as well, they had done their job, how about YOU?
6 - Public is unaware of the events. Most of our events were held in the City's Padang Merdeka. It's in the city area. We had publics watching the events as well. What you expect? Some 5000 spectators watching as if they are going for a football match in the stadium? Banners were hung at the vicinity where people can see it before event starts. You knew about it, you got Facebook, Friendster and other social networks, why don't you help us to spread the words as well? Does this has only to do with the organisers? If one is not interested with the sport, you expect them to stay there and watch until you went to the podium?
7 - Easy to say, NO MONEY, NO TALK. Unless some of you out there start to buy stuff in COD, no more hesitatingly paying up whenever we asked for you pending payment, no more avoiding us whenever my marketing staff called up asking for payment, no more stupid reasons by giving us bounced cheques...we are not hesitating of forking out to cover some of funds needed. You say that we should not say about UNTUNG/RUGI thingy...tapi sepa mau rugi balik-balik geng? If you look through the costings that we spent compared with the limited budgets we were given to do these things in the end it's NEGATIVE man...so, don't simply talk only when you don't know how hard it is for us to get these things running and done for. We ain't any rich tycoons, we had limited resources as well. You think money come from trees? You think all the money we earned just go to the bank and multiply in few months? We got bills to pay, we need to eat, we need to pay loans, gas, rental! Mau buat ala-ala My-NPL, MPOC? How many times in a year we had to suffer loses?
We never think of profits whenever we did any event. We went doing roadshows even drove as far as from KK to Tawau, only to find that a bunch of people just came and went away from us when they were wrongly informed by the organiser there that there will be a mini tournament like we did last time only to find that there is no such thing as 'tembak-tembak' then they walk away. Imagine how you felt driving for almost 12 hours only to find such response. We are there to create awareness but when it comes only 'tembak-tembak' in their minds, the rest doesn't matter to them anymore. How sad. What can we do with it? What can you do to help us out?
Come, bring your teams, your friends around and we had a GREAT discussion about this. Then you tell us what you want from us to do for you and what we want you to do to help us.
I will be more than happy if such league is held. 'KK Paintball League' sounds cool huh? We dreamt of it too. But if you only knew how to complain and see things from the outside rather than to help us out to identify the problems and offer us any suggestions to find solutions to our problem, financially, or helped us out to give awareness to people out there, then a dream is just a dream. So if you want people to see paintballers unite, this is your chance to help us in order to help you to achieve your dreams to see the sport grows in Sabah. For the teams that had been supporting us all along, I would say, thank you very much. I knew that we still had a long way to go. But if one selfish person started to voiced out only what 'he wants it to be' and just sit back and look 'what's happen, happen' it won't go on further. Sad.
Plus, if there is anyone who want to do it here, I would be grateful to let them organize it so that my crew can concentrate on playing paintball. You think they don't play paintball one ah?
It's not what the paintball field can do for you now; it's what YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR PAINTBALL SCENE in Sabah. Peace.
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18 comments:
this is one of your longest post i read. panjang oo pening pala.
anyway i think one way of making such tournament materialise, is by support from a well established sports association. kbs ka, kesatuan sukan apaka ka, or our very own west coast paintball association (wcpa) or etc. its easier to get funding that way.
then again such collaboration would take time to sort out.
just my two cents
that's my point...if everyone unites then we can make this all come true...jgn tau cakap only and blame us for uncapable of doing this and that....we also need helping hand so that you guys can play in your own local league. But with one who just think things at just one angle without considering the blood and sweat that we had to go thru for it is unfair on our side. KBS pun ada limited fund juga. Jadi kalau mo semua urang senang..semua urang turun padang and contribute something...then everyone happy. =)
that sound like soo much of like one of the player from kk i knew... E_._._._.D ??
perhaps
wow, di sini sudah kah discussion...
dear "Mr. Selipar"
sorry sebab tepaksa jawab di sini, kkpc hosting down pula
wow punya sikit jak sia explain apa antara kesulitan kami, cepatnya ko counter attack ngan bejuta2 perkataan.
i dun need to discuss further di sini, bukan pandai abis jua kalau di forum.
after all, YOU KNOW who i am but I DONT KNOW who u r, u r just another "someone who is not satisfied" yg betapuk disebalik nama "selipar" (eventhough most of us here does agree we sense a common string between ur post, and thank you for your ip add we can at least got the idea where your locality is :D ).
back to the topic, so why dont kalau ko serious mau kasi naik scene paintball di sabah ni, make appointment with me, u know what my contact number is (ada dalam web kkpc kalau ndak tau, or u can just simply ring any paintballer di sabah and i believe most of them got my contact number) and lets talk like an adult, face to face. at least ada lagi perkembangan dari panat menaip di sini
so what ever disatisfaction between YOU and KKPC or any of our affiliate, we can figure a way STRAIGHT away daripada balas membalas di sini... plus its good maybe to receive feedback dapan2. i dont hide my identity coz im serious when i want to talk about paintball development, so if you meant what you mumbling in our forum, why dont you prove it by showing your real face so you can tell me right in my face how sincere you are when talking about working together on paintball development?
and i will tell you piece by piece, every single detail what you exactly dont know what ever thing happened behind the scene, which something you suffered if you put urself in our shoe
well probably you just dont care, like in your old post, u just simply doesnt care in so many thing. all you say was " i want to see this to be done, i want it that way" . but again, meet me up and i explain to you every single thing why sometime talk is just very simple than to implement everything. and i can tell you, if not half, almost half of what you list down is not possible to be done, or at least not that easy to be done.
so if you care about it, again i challenge you for a meet up and lets figure out a way to WORK it out together than just sitting behind the monitor, waiting us to work on ourself and condemning us when thing doesnt go as what you expected
p/s: "caiyooo" "caiyooo" everyone! ~ paintball is for everyone
belum mula pertandingan sudah mau bising ka??
kalau sudah mula lagi bayak bising.
teruskan saja jgn terbantut usaha anda
RG 4eva
tq rangers
again abt the money issue here
"kk open yang lepas pun mmg tak sampai mesej or hala tuju nya .."mesej yg camana u mean? its to subjective here. so MPOC yg kasi hapus and gabung division2 lain just becoz mau jimat bayar hadiah, tu tidak pula kena cop gagal? mesej is clear here, no team joining, no money to cover.
and do you see how we pay all the winning team when even ONLY 4 team TURN out in one tournament? so dont play with wrong facts here, and dont twist the word around
"dengan sekadar 4-5 team mmg dah takda untung lah." so now you do understand 4-5 team teda untung. but did we stop the event bcoz of that? ask the team who get the trophy. in fact we pay accordingly to the prize money regardless only 4 team turning up.
u urself knew that some organizer doesnt pay (or scam?) the winner just becoz they dont have enuf fund to cover the prizes.
so tell me honestly, would you do any tourney and PAY all the prizes when the playing team cuma ada 4 saja? do your math, you will know what i mean. ask the association or JBS if we receive any sponsor or fund to organize our recent tourney. WE DONT. but yet you complain we so fussy about forking out our own money to fund the tournament?
my friend, losing money term has been applied to our event for the past years. so please come back again if you really know what "lose money" mean. if forking out RM250 per box JUST TO PLAY paintball tournament IN KK is sooo damn much to you, try losing out 5,000 - 10,000 RINGGIT MALAYSIA from your very own pocket JUST TO SATISFY and funding your (you as a player) tournament need. the tournament that you guys been wanting for, yet been complaining so very much about it.
if you can prove me you can lose money constantly in every tournament just for other people laugher, enjoyment and development, please do organize or fork your life-saving money to sponsor some prizes or maybe just pay the very pity Marhsall which working for the sake of this sport, yet getting scold by some of you in the field. if you can prove me you can, and you WILL do this very small thing (take care of the marshall welfare, setting up field etc) i will lend you all our equipment, all our marshall will be in the field, and you can take EVERY SINGLE CENT you get from the registration fee. and i will personally send 3 team just to support this event, should you agree. you will become the person incharge for the whole event
"but for the sake of paintball sports n tuk developement sukan nie mmg memerlukan pengorbanan besar mahupun dari segi masa ataupun wang ringgit tuh pihak pengajur kena lah paham situasi yang scene kita hadapi skrang"i wont ask you to pay our equipment but you will have to bear all other cost like the city field rental, worker and prizes. if you think you can bear all this lost as easy as you talk, why dont as a very strong supporter of paintballer, just for a minute show to us that you care to do for a changes.
let see if losing money for the sake of everyone joy is worth for you.
i think you get the idea why there's no any major malaysia paintball league dare to come to KK as to this date? (apart from the labuan one... which.... ehem u know)
in case if you dont know, the are all big operator, with 10x more experience and resources. but did they willing to give you your so called tournament in KK just becoz you WANT it to be? money and sacrifices is two different thing my friend. like this, if today i said i want you to sponsor a bit money for the sake of paintball development, would you give me or not ah?? of coz not lah!!
yet easy to brag and asking other people to fund and give you wat you want in the name of development. Hippocratic doesnt help here.
"terpulang kepada pengajur nak kekal kan benda yang dah terang-terang SILAP." just simple, lets have a kopi o outside and lets discuss together which is wrong and which is not. if you serious to overcome this matter then its not a big deal for you. let us just transparent to everything. after all there's lot of dissatisfaction heard from your tone that need to be cure
Dear Mr Selipar,
As avid a paintballer as u claim to be, u should have some sort of understanding the paintball scene in Sabah is still new. So, it's not fairly square to compare us to KL. Im not repeating what has been said by Miguel KKPC/AngeL BeaR, but try to put urself in OUR shoes. For once. Throw away ur ignorance.
Note this: We love this sport too, as bad as all other paintballers out there. As bad as You. That's the main reason events are organised locally in the beginning. To provide opportunities for our locals to play with other teams, sharpen their skills, unite all paintballers (Keningau, Sandakan, Tawau, Labuan, etc). Where else can all paintballers gather if not in a tourney field? Let me be transparent with u, there is no profit made so far through these events. If u ever experience "poket koyak", we made these events to the point our "poket koyak" just to get it thru from A to Z. And its not League Series yet. We acknowledge our shortcomings and always try to improve. We don't expect thank-yous from participants, not a small bit of appreciation. We only hope everybody had a good game, just a good happy time playing paintball in a tournament on our very own ground. To prepare for a bigger tourney maybe, in KL. And such dedication our Sabah marshals have been doing since the very start of this paintball sport in Sabah. Kudos to each and everyone of u, u know who u are.
Back to Mr Selipar. As Miguel KKPC has said: if u can help, we welcome u to come out and meet us personally. We'd be more than willing to work with you, so much as u would love to see what u want in a tourney is delivered, perfectly fine.
Best regards.
angel bear
baca blog ko pun kin panass ooo.
mana punya munyit yang cam taik tul ni? cakap punya main sanang, sukan teras macam bola sepak pun tidak senang mo dapat sponsor, ni budak bawah umur lagi bising suka suka suruh orang buat pertandingan
sia yang occasional paintballer pun sudah tau mahal, ini lagi kunun paintballer. kalau paintballer mana banyak tiau cibai cakap cam sial
tapi ko cakap org tu silap2 backstab kamu kan, tunggu lar nanti kaamatan sia balik kk i will meet you guys. kalau mau minta tolong hentak kepala butuk dia nanti sound jak waharharrr!
daudman: no comment...u know who he/she is. =)
Ranger: mcm gitu la tuh...haiz...apa mo jadi kan...
Frisco: adoi dogo..sabar ko ging...hahahahha pasal paintball jak nih..
Miguel & Tracy: u both knew how hard it is to work it out. We all knew.
So Mr. Selipar, try to put urself in our shoes for once before starting to point your fingers at us for not doing our job to make you satisfied with the current paintball scene.
Be transparent, come up as an adult (with the 'other paintballers in KK yang panas' as you said) and we talk things over some teh tarik.
that's what we call - UNITY. To work things out together for benefit of all.
-It's not what the paintball field can do for you now; it's what YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR PAINTBALL SCENE in Sabah.-
right on his face, slarpppp!!
just having breakfast with the kkpc team and heard of this new troublemaker making noise all over the net.
for kkpc staff and management
just keep up the good work. never bother what ever fuck for those who never satisfied, cause they will never been satisfied. you give them 1 they will ask for 10, give them 10 and they will ask for 100. whats the point?
all they know in the end was complain and complain, they will never stop doing that in their life. jealousy is on the air, ehh?
to kkpc management
again, just keep up the good work. organize more tourney (what ever name it is, doesnt matter) and to those individual who do not like it, it's not like you all forcing them to join it anyway.
flammer
you have the option to join or not to join. if you dont like it, just keep your ass stayed at home. right on your face, mr. parasite. now get lost
Demampaintball: Do not argue with idiots, they will only bring you to their standards.
Alo guys, PEACE!!! Let's play paintball and have some fun! Game ON!!!
it's the spirit like Toingo we need~ play paintball and stop complaining~
Evilyn-E saids:
"Holla....to all KKPC staff n crew,last nite i had a phone conversation with mr.miguel (KKPC owner)asking / suspecting me wheather i related with this fellow nick "SELIPAR", ok today i would like to make things very LOUD & CLEAR here "I DONT KNOW WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY NAME SELIPAR & I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM & HIS ***** UN-PROFESIONAL POSTING. Posting junk & voice out thru unproper channel is not my style ok! "MIGUEL you know me Better and you know my style" just because i'm no longer playing with Dragoons (Splatzone) ini tidak bermakna saya dan KKPC musuh!, Yes we're still friend n have a very good relationship as a player. TO SELIPAR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO VOICE OUT!!! PLEASE VOICE IT OUT THRU PROPER CHANNEL lahh ok jangan buat havoc kat sini, gara-gara posting ko, orang lain yang tiada kena-mengena pula kena maki !!! so please stop it ok, kalau ada pendapat atau nak komen bukan kat open chat macam nie kalau boleh kontek kat owner web nie and to talk to them personaly.
P/S : TO DAUDMAN siapa yang ko maksud kan E****D tuh....be carefull ngan sepa ko tuduh, jangan sembarang buat conclusion kalau sendiri tak tau paham....!
"Ukur baju di badan sendiri."
Nak join tournament, join je. Tak nak join, dok diam-diam tepi padang la sambil minum sirap atau duduk rumah tengok TV. mereka tak paksa you all join jugak kan?
Rasanyalah kan, yang cadang buat league ni mesti orang baru pegang marker sekali dua. Sebab dia tak tau betapa susah nak buat tourney nih.
NATO.
dauf:
i mean e-d-m-u-n-d
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